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I'm Siobhan Curran/Kisa Naumova, and this is my weblog. I tend to write about stuff like crossdressing, Macs, code, cats, wine and Second Life, but in general it's just an ongoing conversation about all sorts of stuff. If you'd like to know a little bit more about what this all is, I recommend starting on this page which has a little bit of info on who I am, and what I'm trying to do — or you could dive into my five years worth of archives if you like.

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Sunday, 27th February, 2005

Typographical Nightmare

I hate Microsoft Word files :angry:. Don't get me wrong — it's not that I hate Microsoft Word itself (although, granted, I never use the thing :unsure:) — I'm sure a lot of people have been trained to do all sorts of things on it, and indeed whenever I talk to someone who uses it, they cheerfully point out to me that it is, indeed, the best word processor our there.

pause for flames about OO.o, or Pages, or whatever

No no no — this rant has nothing to do with the pros and cons of using Word as your word processor of choice ... it's about trying to make some typographical sense out of the crap that finds its way onto my desktop via the bufooned minds of well-meaning idiots

Let me explain :smile:

The traditional styling methods in Word seem to revolve around old typing practices: two spaces after a full stop, double line breaks after a paragraph, you know the sort of thing. This is all very well when the outcome of the document is a ream of A4 paper, but not when I have to import it into Quark XPress and turn it into a sodding book

The number of search-and-replaces I have to do just to strip out all the double spaces and double line-breaks is staggering.

And then there's the sheer, unadulterated joy of trying to convert a series of tab-delimited lines into something that resembles a table.

I Hate Word Files! I Hate Word Files! I Hate Word Files! I Hate Word Files! I Hate Word Files!

Is that clear? :unsure:

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Sorry for that — it's just that I came across a table-of-contents where the author had used multiple full stops to indent things, to make it all look pretty on his page, without realising that it's going to take me ages to turn it into something even remotely respectable in Quark

Grrrrr :angry:

I can just picture him, sat at his PC thinking "aha — this will make the designer's life easier"...

...well it fucking doesn't :tongue:

I dream of the day when people send me plain-text files and all I have to do is concentrate on setting up a series of logical, sexy style-sheets and command-licking my way through a 600-page document in twenty minutes :smile:

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Mildly related :unsure: is my little triumph about ten years ago when I was compiling a local what's-on guide using a Filemaker Pro database. I set it up with a series of cunning search-and-replaces to churn out XPress Tags so that all I had to do was import the output into Quark, and the whole thing would automagically format itself into typographic sexiness :smile: Then I did some other search-and-repalces to format the whole thing into web pages :biggrin:

A few months ago, when I was contemplating the idea of publishing this weblog as a book, I toyed with developing a PHP script that would reformat the MySQL database into XPress Tags (or, more precisely, InDesign Tags, as Quark is annoying me right now)

Maybe I'll get around to it at some point

Hmmm... I don't think any of that double-spaces after full stops, double spacing between lines stuff is actually Word's default style. In fact, I don't think you can actually make a Word style that includes two spaces after each full stop. Why not export it as text, and use the super dooper Text Factories in BBEdit to unmangle it?

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Ian Betteridge

Incidentally, I love Word :smile:

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Ian Betteridge

Ian, that's kinda what I meant by this not being a rant against Word — it's the way some people use it to prepare source text without really understanding what a typesetter will have to do to it to make it managable that get me :wink:

I do end up wrangling it in BBEdit though :biggrin:

It's the ones that DON'T use styles that drive me nuts. If you use styles, it's a work of five minutes to completely reformat even the biggest document. If, on the other hand, you use it like it was AppleWorks and just apply bold/italics/etc it's a royal pain in the ass. My name is Ian, and I'm a Word styles addict. :smile:

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Ian Betteridge

LOL :wink:

Exactly though — and it ties in rather nicely with the idea of separating content from style. I remember when the whole "make a webpage from a Quark document" thing meant a hideous bunch of static tables and an HTML file that just replicated the print-layout.

Lazy, lazy, lazy design.

It amazes me that still I have to slave away over a keyboard to convert a Word file into a Quark file, when the whole thing should be so easy.

Although, thinking about it, I wouldn't get paid :unsure:

Scrap what I said earlier — I take it all back :wink:

You're not alone Siobhan, I've just had a 'helpful' client produce content using Word and then turning it into an htm file — "html hell" I call it! Why did I bother producing a CMS for? Got round it by saying I'd train them to use the CMS... using thwe content they had provided in Word web page format. Now I get paid for wasting my bloody time!!! Yah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rachel

Appleworks sucks..ever try putting a footer in with 5? can't get the bitch in the center. But Word tells you to use semi colons when you shouldn't..... can't someone fix appleworks? geeze

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ET

Has anyone tried the word processor in that new Apple iWork package?

I always give my clients guidelines on how to submit copy. Then if they don't follow the guidelines, I feel justified in playing hardball and charging them extra for having to open the can as well as cook the meal. Crap analogy. Sorry I have flu.

Nah; that's trivial :wink:

The one that gets me is when someone prepares copy in Word, then sends me a printout to "web up" (yes, "web up" — I despair).

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Solution: Take a cameraphone picture of you mooning and send it back with an audio message of you saying in your best Nathan Barley voice "Web this up, yeaah?"

OK, reverse scenario ... someone gives you instructions to "use one of the photos from our website" in print. I mean, don't they know the difference between 72 and 350dpi? Don't they? Eh?

Ah, but then of course, comes the phrase "can't you just blow it up?" to which you reply "yes, but it will look like crap", which gets the number-one-all-time-stoopidest-request ever in the history of the world:

"Can't you use your computer to enhance it?"

I'm not sure about the new Apple wordprocessor — Pages — seems to me to be iNewsletter. I was listening to Phil Schiller talking about it during Steve's keynote speech yeah, and he was like "We know that people want templates"

(Sorry, for some reason I switched into valley-mode for a second there :unsure:)

No, sorry Phil, that's the last things I want. The first thing I do with MS Word (when I have to use it) is close that bloody 'wizard' thingy. I much prefer starting with a blank page thankyouverymuch, not some graphic-laden pseudo newsletter.

Of course, personally, I'm running through the vi tutorial every few days :wink:

You should get a t-shirt made saying "No, I can't just blow it up!"

That might have a multitude of uses...

How about "OK, I'll blow it up — but it's going to be messy"?

TV Guide

Ha ha ha! HA ha ha ha hardy ha ha!

Sorry, I know, old joke :rolleyes:

So, I'm sat here, tapping my fingers, and it suddenly occurs to me that I haven't watched any telly since that Grayson Perry documentary. Not a sausage. Absolutely squat (as long as you don't count the few seconds this morning when George stood on the remote control and woke me up to a snowstorm and the waking-up-fanfare of white noise :unsure:)

Off I trot (metaphorially, natch) to www,radiotimes.com (which, I have to say, is looking rather swish these days :smile:) and I notice that HELP ( BBC 2, 9.30pm) starts in about an hour and a half, and until then there is a choice between Ray Mear's Bushcraft ( BBC 2, 8.00pm) and Never Mind the Buzzcocks ( BBC 2, 9.00pm), or The 100 Greatest Cartoons (Channel 4, 8.00pm)

Not sure which to watch :unsure: Although, in typing up this, I've probably missed half of them.

Claire (GP) plus vase on a shelf were on that thing about the new 10 commandments last night. I hope Claire is careful with that vase — it gets about a bit and it might get broken if someone knocks into it.

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Susan 2

I missed that. What was the outcome?

Re: the vi tutorial — learning vi is the best IT investment you'll ever make. I salute you!

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Kris

I'm finding it hard going to be honest. Even though my earliest computer experiences were all command-line based, I'm so used to pushing text around with a mouse these days that it seems alien to me.

The reason I decided that I really ought to know how to use it though, was, well, two reasons I guess. Firstly, I find it really useful to be able to ssh home from wherever I am and fix stuff, and secondly, I was watching my father using it one night (I'd just shown him, after two years of having an iMac, that it had a command-line :wink: He was very excited, even more so when he realised he could use X11 — but that's a whole different story) and I was amazed by how he was navigating, editing, shunting stuff around with just the keyboard.

Maybe I've got lazy with the mouse :unsure:

One thing though, especially when I'm coding, I find it hard to get a grasp on what I'm doing with the screen on my iBook — It's just too small. And it's usually the iBook that I'm on when I'm using vi.

If I'm at home, then I figure I may as well use BBEdit — especially for the syntax-colouring, which I find really hard coding PHP in vi without.

I think a lot of people have gotten lazy with a mouse. Hell, I could start a crusade about it, given half a bottle of gin. :smile:

The point is, it's the right tool for the job. If you working in 2 dimenions, then you want a mouse. If you're working with text, you want a keyboard. People show me other editors, and I scream every time my hands have to leave the keyboard, just to make the point. Vi isn't easy to learn, but it is exactly the right tool for the job.

As for syntax colouring, waddaya mean? You are using Vim, right? If Vim can't colour it, it ain't syntax.

Okay, I'm geeking a byte too far here...anyhoot, why not practice by coming up with an RSS feed for the comments, eh? :wink:

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Kris

An RSS feed for the comments? :unsure: Um, OK — that'll take a bit of regular expression fun ... I'll add it to my list of Things I Want To Do Here When I Get The Time:

  • RSS Comment Feed
  • del.icio.us/flickr real-time blog insertion tool thingumy
  • Sticky pages
  • Technorati Ping (I already ping weblogs.com, but I just never got round to Technorati)
  • List of all the archives listed by title rather than the little calendars

I'm sure there's more — but I think I should do some of the jobs that pay before I crack into that little lot :wink:

Get your whittlin' stick ready! :tongue:

All sharp and ready for action :biggrin: First job ... make vim's syntax colouring look remotely pretty. I can't stand the default colours — I have a much nicer muted pink-and-blue palette that I use in BBEdit. Oh, and I wasn't using vim before — I was using vi :wink:

i) If you just ping Ping-o-matic, it in turn will do technorati, blo.gs, weblogs.com, etc.

ii) If I was the sort of person to print out web cartoons and stick them on the office wall, this'd have pride of place in front of the 'guest' chair.

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That, my Porcupine-Tree-loving friend, is inspired :biggrin: