Hello 
I'm Siobhan Curran/Kisa Naumova, and this is my weblog. I tend to write about stuff like crossdressing, Macs, code, cats, wine and Second Life, but in general it's just an ongoing conversation about all sorts of stuff. If you'd like to know a little bit more about what this all is, I recommend starting on this page which has a little bit of info on who I am, and what I'm trying to do — or you could dive into my five years worth of archives if you like.
Otherwise, feel free to close this box and explore...
Specifics of the Origins
(Somewhere, deep in the bowels of Westminster Abbey, you can just about hear the sounds of a subterranean-rotational-movement coming from beneath a stone that says "Darwin")
I'm always wary of delving into the whys and wherefores of why I enjoy dressing up as a girl. As I've said before (numerous times
) it's not why men wear frocks that interests me — it's what happens when they do. The interactions between trannies and the people around them — the mental double-takes, the questioning of gender, the masking of identity — all those things I find fascinating.
But that's not to say that I'm not curious as to why I do this, what it was that first sowed the seeds of transvestism in my head.
One thing that seems to be very prevalent — almost de rigure — in trannie-biographies, is the sentence "from the age of about 5". It's a sign that this Thing That We Do™ is not some kind of post-teen hobby that we've picked up, or some kind of handy little affection to achieve some ulterior motive. Nope — it's something that's in our heads, and has been from a very early age.
But, personally, I'm not sure if that's the case with me
I know (as I've mentioned elsewhere) that I think my introduction to transvestism comes from early childhood fantasy play, but I don't have the memory of secretively raiding my mother's underwear drawer...
...at least not at the age of 5. In my teens, yes — but not earlier than that.
I have a bit of a gap in my t-memory you see. I can remember vividly drifting off into Fantasy Land as a child, and I can picture myself looking up the word Transvestite in the dictionary at the age of thirteen — but the space in between is fuzzy. I can't connect the two.
I know there must have been things that happened during those seven or eight years that clicked in my head, and gave me a reason to look for a particular word in the dictionary ... but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what they are...
The Dressing Up Box
If you were a pop-psychologist — the kind that does character-appraisals in the pub with no training — you might think that this one has a lot to do with it.
For some reason — a reason that I must ask my parents about some time (as long as I can avoid it insinuating anything about my trans-life) — there was a dressing up box in my bedroom. Not your usual run-of-the-mill cowboys-and-indians-and-the-like dressing up box (although I've just had a brief memory flash of me with a feather in my hair
) — nope, it was a box full of nighties and hats and skirts and high heels.
When we were kids, my brother and I used to spend ages running round the house in my mother's old high heels, and wearing her nighties.
"Aha!" scream all the aforementioned pop-psychologists, "That's where Siobhan got her transvestism from!"
But no. It can't be surely? I mean, if it was just that, then how come my brother isn't a trannie too? (I've asked him — he insists he's not) And it doesn't fill the gap in my memory either — we must've stopped doing that when I was about six or seven, that still leaves me with about six years of unaccounted-trannieness.
An Evolution of Expression
(Ack, enough with the Darwinian metaphors already)
This gap bugs me. I like to have things all neatly arranged in boxes and labeled accordingly. I'd like to have a little mental diagram which charts the development of my transvestism from child-with-an-unrealised-fetish into pisshead-in-a-nightclub-in-a-dress. It's like the Pant-stealing Gnomes from South Park:
- Steal Underpants
- ???
- Profit!
...except in my case, it's more like this:
- Steal Underpants (from mother)
- ???
- Transvestite!
Sure, I could explain (in probably too much detail really) just what happened from my teenage-dictionary-adventure to the present day — how the expression of Me As A Trannie™ has evolved into my current head-space.
But I wish I could fill in that gap. I wish I knew what it was that made me first think I was a transvestite. Not because I think it would give me some kind of insight, or something I could use to argue a particular case or not — but just because it niggles me.
It's like watching a film, nipping out for a slash near the start, and then not quite being able to pick up the plot properly when you come back.
Dolls
We also had dolls when I was young — my brother and I that is. Mine was thin and blonde I think. His was stumpy and auburn.
But again, you could probably try and link that to what I turned out like — but I don't think you can. Partly because of the same reasons as the dressing up box (how come it affected me and not him?), but also because it subscribes to a hideous cliché of boys and girls.
The Worm That Turned
Sorry to bring it up again, but I was quite surprised just how many people contacted me the last time I mentioned it with "me too!" emails.
I wouldn't — it has to be said — credit the Two Ronnies with the act of turning me into a transvestite, but I would say that watching that series certainly stirred something in my head at the tender age of (um, quick guess
) eight.
It wasn't the sight of Messers Barker and Corbett running around in awful flowery dresses that had any affect on me — it was Diana Dors in uniform that had an impact. And perhaps it was the thought that that show put in my head — the thought of a world in which women dressed as men, and men dressed as women — that had something to do with the development of the idea of Me As A Trannie.
Ack, I dunno...
Checklists Revisited
I think though, that what's important from all of this, is (again) not why I'm a transvestite — it's that I am one, and how that nugget of self-identity gets expressed.
Joanna's Tranny Checklist which she posted the other day (and which, if it ever came to a court of law, I'd insist that she nicked off me
) was an impressive detailing of the normal progression for a transvestite these days. It does seem to me that there's some kind of accepted path that we all seem to follow when we start to come out of the closet wardrobe.
But, well, I kinda feel that that path is somehow dictated to by our surroundings. The ways in which we express our transvestism are very much influenced by either what we see around us, or by memories and perceptions of what we saw when we were young.
See, I'd like to separate out what I think are two distinct things in my (and permit me to make an assumption here) and other trannies heads.
On the one hand, we have all the paraphernalia that's attached (*groan*) to the modern transvestite — the breast forms (hence the *groan*
), the stockings, the little denim skirt... — stuff that gets suggested to us from our social situations. And on the other, we have an undeniable something that sits in our heads and makes us what we are.
Because I think it's really important to separate them. Otherwise, we're left with a definition of transvestite that acts as a stereotype, and defines how people like us must express themselves. And when we do that, we set unreachable goals for ourselves.
There was a thread in The Angels the other day, that concentrated on the effects that coming out to your partner had on them. On the whole, I thought it was quite a positive thread — but there was a niggle...
The thing about setting standards for ourselves, is that it almost enforces a "how our partners must react" standard on them. It carries a whiff of "this is the perfect life for a transvestite and their partner" — if you get what I mean.
And going back to what I was warbling about the other day, insisting that there is a right and wrong way for transvestism, makes anyone that doesn't live up to that ideal feel inadequate. I get the impression that there are hundreds (if not thousands) of TVs out there who aren't happy with the way that their transvestism interacts with the rest of their lives — whether that's with their partner, or with their job, or with their social circle. And I think part of that dissatisfaction has a lot to do with these standards we place on ourselves.
What I would find really interesting, is seeing how transvestism evolves when there's no social pressure. If we ignore the current Ideal Trannie™ (now there's an idea for a Daily Mail sponsored trade show) for a second, what happens then? If the expression of transvestism is allowed to evolve through the combined input of a TV and their partner — what happens?
Sometimes I get emails from people that say things like "I wish I could be like you". Part of me wants to email them back saying "No you don't — the hangovers are a killer", but part of me wants to point out that the way I am now is a result of the past 33 years of my life, and that that's just the way it's worked out for me.
I don't think there should be a definition of the expression of transvestism. I think everyone should work out what it means for them and the people around them — and I think if we all did that, we'd see some rather interesting divergences taking place.
Does that make any sense?
around 8 I started trying on my mothers clothes
The thing is Lana, I don't think that's what I did. Yes, I was wearing women's clothes at an early age — but it wasn't in the secretive, hide-the-evidence way that I read so much about. Personally, I didn't wear my mother's clothes because I was a transvestite — I wore them because they were there.
"I don't think there should be a definition of the expression of transvestism. I think everyone should work out what it means for them and the people around them — and I think if we all did that, we'd see some rather interesting divergences taking place."
Of course it makes sense Siobhan, but I can't help wondering, for a lot of the reasons you mention above, that trannies are doing exctly that i.e. "working it out for themselves", with or without their partners.
You see, for all the advice offered in groups like the Angels the individuals involved are asking for help, receiving advice and then acting on it, or not, having evaluated said advice.
I mean, I can see those who ask, listen and then do nothing. Or may be act on some but not all of the advice — in short, tailoring it to their circumstances.
Which means may be the likes of you and me are concerning ourselves too much about the welfare of our "sisters". I don't mean to sound uncaring, but if trannies can't sort out their lives with some input from fellow trannies I'll bet they have plenty of other unresolved problems that are going to make life a bit of a rough ride.
I'm not saying it's necessarily easy, but I guess most of us are working things out and "getting there". And thank god we do all come to different conclusions and ways of dealing with transvestism. I mean, can you imagine us all being like a bunch of Arsenel fans — eh Jo? ![]()
wow speedy reply, were you watching me type that lol.
I wore them because I liked the feel and the way I looked, still do, I sure didnt do it in front of my 2 brothers back then, theyd have given me some grief over it, still do, apparently Im some kind of deviant according to them, oh well ![]()
were you watching me type that
Sometimes Lana, sometimes I do ![]()
Rachel, am I imagining all this then? I'll admit it's entirely possible that this whole notion of the Ideal Trannie™ might just be a complete fabrication of my head. I dunno though — all the times I'm out, I see other trannies going through the motions — as described by Jo. And I see frustrated email after frustrated email wishing for that Ideal Trannie lifestyle.
It just strikes me that the ideal in a lot of our heads is one that's based on seeing other 'girls' — rather than an exploration of what transvestism means to us as individuals.
(God, get me today
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a right up-my-own-arse wotsit. It's just quite a hard issue to address without sounding like Little Miss Knowitall)
Its a tricky one isn't it? I know I never used to think of myself as being a tranny, until I found the word. In that way it is just a lable to describe the behaviour. For me it was just, I like to wear girls clothes sometimes and I used to look good (look good — back then, when I was in my teens, not now I hasten to add!). We are all different in our personnal need to be accepted and to what degree, this makes all our perspectives of what would be perfect different. Ouch, head hurts now after that deep bit. Funny about dressing up boxes, we lived in a rural area with only a handfull of us kids, my nearest friends had a dressing up box full of girls clothes, we didn't think anything of it. My friend had a sister who was a real tom boy and refused to be the 'girl' in our games, so I always had to dress up and be the girl. We didn't think anything about it at the time, mainly I think because we don't realy start to form opinions till later when the age of innocence is shed. After that we pick up more strongly on the opinions of our peers.
Yes, I do always write in big blobs like this, paragraphs are optional to me
.
jenna
Girls — great stuff, really interesting debate...But I'm going to be daring here...Dare I suggest that a lot of trannies get a SEXUAL thrill out of dressing? And that's a big reason why they dress? And for every one tranny that makes it out the closet and into a Manchester club, there are a hundred that never get past the dress up, stand in front of full length mirror and pleasure themselves silly stage? I know there are some girls out there who would say that isn't being a tranny, but who are they to judge? Lots never want to come out the closet, their home / personal lives wont allow it (yep, i'm speaking from a personal perspective) and they're quite happy with the ol' mirror! I gues what i'm saying is, tranny-ism encompasses a wide range of personal tastes, and a big part for many is the sexual thrills aspect.
aaarrrghhhh! why wont it pick up my alias?? !! Its Tina not 00033445560!
Wow...Lots of interesting stuff here today...
Why do we start dressing & what makes us trannie? That really is the BIG question.
I think it's all in the brain personally...I don't want to start a big TV or TS debate here, but it was recently discovered that most transsexuals have very developed feminine sides of their brains...I'm sure trannies would get similar results.
I don't think any life-changing event or parenting decision made me into a trannie...I think I was always going to be one. It's where we go from there that makes life interesting.
I also think that the humble trannie is a bit like an exotic animal roaming the African plains (bear with me on this one…). They spend so long on their own hiding away from everyone, too scared to come out, until one day they get a little brave and stick their head out to have a look round, and discover similar exotic animals just like themselves. Not really knowing what to do or where to go, they tend to stick close together, where one goes others will follow.
Maybe not the best analogy, but I think you get the picture ![]()
I could say LOADS about the partners issue, but think I'll save it...As I've got a partner, I get loads of emails from people expecting me to give them all the answers or some magically formulae...And there isn't one!!!
I think your right Steph, I think reseach would probably show a more developed femine side of the brain for TV's too. My friend would never play the part of the girl when we all played together, however I didn't mind at all, I loved dressing up in his sisters clothes (god I wonder what She'd think now?). I know I get on a lot better with women than men and my wife always says I should have been a girl the way I can bitch
(no she doesn't know about Jenna). Women always say its easier to get on with me as well than with other chaps. Perhaps all the subliminal pointers are there, it would be interesting to analyse the pheromones produced as well. You know, theres a whole series for tele in this discussion.
Jenna
Don't ask me what a magically formulae is ![]()
I was kind of startled when I read what came after
subterranean-rotational-movement coming from beneath a stone that says "Darwin"
as I expected a rant about loony American right-wing creationists. But no; surprise surprise, trannie-dom is the subject. Who'd a thunk it! And in a blog like yours of all places
I know what it was that first convinced me that I was a trannie: the overwhelming desire to swish about in heels and a frock! But as to the 'why'...
I'm sure the fact that I've thought about this 'a bit' will hardly elicit cries of "Hold the front page — 'Trannie admits to navel gazing' shock, horror!" But what conclusions have I come to? Let's see. Dressing up box — nope. Dolls — not unless you count 'Action Man' and he certainly wasn't Action Tran' (though he did have a rubber frog-man suit. Possible elements of fetishism — Nah). I vaguely remember not being allowed to play with a doll when I was about four, "Dolls are girls toys — you're a boy", but don't recall this being a 'pivotal moment'; more of an 'ok, fair enough' moment. There is, however, one thing that I keep coming back to, and here I must descend into ale-house pseudo-psycho-babble (as well as not give too much away): To minimise the risk of growing up to be 'like my father', it's possible, at some kind of subconscious level, that I rejected my natural gender in favour of the opposite one. Now I'm sure I could pay a shrink to nod sagely while I explained all this; but, at the end of the day, would I be any better off? I'd certainly have less money to spend on frocks! And, more to the point: Do I want to change things? (in case anybody can't guess, the answer is: No. I've invested a considerable amount of time in 'growing comfortable in my own skin' so why bugger about with things now!)
As for 'ideals' and 'perfect paths', I don't think they can, or ever will, exist. Even if society as a whole adopted a 'You're a Trannie? OK, so what?' type attitude, we'd still all have to find our own, individual, way of expressing our desires. Because we are all unique I don't think there's a 'one size fits all' solution. However, it would be interesting to see what evolves when (and I do think it's a 'when', rather than 'if') society learns to say 'So what?'
Alli' Cat'
I personally never gaze at my navel — unless I'm waxing it.
I also think (it's true in my case) that there's something actually quite blokey about trannies — the obsessive, collectorish, shed-building type behaviour and the need to form clubs and societies in particular.
* runs and ducks *
Siobhan, you revealed what I see as the essential “Catch-22” nature of the evolution of a Trannie. At first, we’re ashamed of “this thing” that makes us unlike everyone else. But at the very moment we begin to step out of the closet in an effort to embrace and explore that which makes us different, we immediately start trying to conform to this prescribed image of the “Ideal Trannie!” I think this is because of the fact that instead of figuring out what “this” means to us, we’re conforming to those we see around us in the hope of gaining the same sense of peace that they clearly have achieved, as evidenced by the fact that they can get dressed, go outdoors, and appear to have a good time. But of course, what makes someone else happy won't necessarily do the same for us, which is why your point is such a great one. Otherwise, all we're doing by trying to escape the safe little world that we have constructed for ourselves is to repeat history by working so hard to fit in and be accepted in the new environment in which we seek to exist.
Now hold on a minute.
Why do we start dressing & what makes us trannie? That really is the BIG question.
No, I disagree Steph — I think it's an utterly irrelevant, yet strangely interesting, question. It doesn't matter why I do this, despite my interest from a personal standpoint — the big question is how does this affect me and other people.
Analysing why too much, sounds like the beginings of a preventative psychological programme to me. I don't think there's anything wrong with what we do — but if we start to dig into What Made Us What We Are too much then it might come across as if there is something wrong.
(she said, not really being able to put the thought in her head into words)
And Steph and Jenna, in regards to an increased femininity? I couldn't disagree more. I'm not convinced that femininity has got anything to do with transvestism. In fact, I'd go along with what Miss K just said about trannies being outstandingly blokish examples of human beings.
I think we're treading on thin ice when we, as a community, start talking about ourselves in terms of the "feminine" — it's a term fought over in other groups than ourselves, and we risk treading on every single toe from Germaine Greer to Sylvia Pankhurst.
The thing that sticks in my head about the word, is that when we use it as men we're propping up a tired, outdated, irrelevant stereotype of what women are — which although I know a lot of women have problems with transvestites because of exactly that, I still think we have a big role to play in challenging gender boundaries. Not reinforcing them.
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I think I was a bit misleading in what I was writing about this morning. I wasn't trying to find a cause of my transvestism — I was just trying to fill in a gap in my memory. As Tina pointed out, rather a lot of us do this for sexual reasons — me included. It just struck me as odd that I couldn't remember any secific trannie things from the age of 6 to 13. That's all.
we immediately start trying to conform to this prescribed image of the “Ideal Trannie!”
Hmm, damm you Renee for expressing that better than I did ![]()
Can I shove it a stage further though — just to see what happens?
Can I suggest for a moment, that the whole of transvestism is a product of our social environment — the way we express 'it' is down to factors outside of our control (like what defines women's and men's clothing for a start...) and that if we want to actually understand transvestism, we need to completely rethink our ideas about it?
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when [...] society learns to say 'So what?'
God, I'd hate that. The day that society looks at me walking down a street and sighs a colelctive "meh" is the day I give this whole crossdressing malarky up.
There is also what defines mascaline and feminine behaviour. We all, male female, drab, TG TS have to a greater or lesser extent have the ability to exhibit the same emotions and behaviours. Nurturing and passivity are traditionally seen as feminine, agression and activity are traditionally seen as male well at least in most societies, but there are those where the men take on the child caring role, in that society they are not seen as being feminine it is just the traditional role for men.
I played with toy guns when I was little I played with cars, I build bridges, houses and towers with lego I was extremely jealous when my brother got mechano (sp?) as a present when I didn't. I played the male role on occasion and happily so as a small child. I studied what are traditonally considered male subjects since the age of 13, since the age of about 16 I've always been in a male dominated arena but none of this has ever made me want to dress in male clothing and no jeans and trousers cut for a woman do not count. My brother had a doll, he has happily worn make up and worn female clothing as a small child but as far as I'm aware he is not a trannie. I honestly don't think you can blame environment, or nurture or genetics it just is. I'm with Siobhan on this don't worry about the why worry about the impression.
Great discussion. I too agree with miss K's point — I don't think I have a stronger than normal feminine side, and in the sense that she means it I am pretty blokey. But I do feel my male and female sides are closer because in some other senses I have a less developed masculine side. For example I'd rather co-operate than compete.
On another tack and if I can take us on a wild flight of imagination for a moment. Imagine that three hundred years ago fashion took a different direction so that when we reach the latter half of the 20th century Men sit around discussing footy and sports cars and being blokey but are all normally dressed in frocks and heels and make up, women do the same things they do now but normally rub hair growth formula into their legs arms and top lips, and wear suits and shirt and tie. In other words the paraphernalia of gender is reversed. Where are the trannys? Are they happily hidden among the other men probably not even realising they they are different, indeed are they different, or do they secretly dress in business suits and let their body hair grow. I think what I am trying to say is, trannys are very much tied up with the artifacts of gender (obsessed even) as Siobhan said there's the paraphernalia and then there's the thing in your head — but where would that thing take you in the scenario I have outlined.
Kate Weston
Hmm, can I quote myself on this? ![]()
if it was the norm for women to drive six-inch nails through their eyeballs and for men to wear frocks, we'd be constucting some kind of 'nail-driving' service, and our forums would be full of advice on where to buy the best hammers...
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I honestly don't think you can blame environment, or nurture or genetics it just is.
Jane, I was with you until that — I think that, OK, you can't blame genetics — but you can blame environment and nurture. I think that's what makes us what we are — doesn't it?
(with a healthy sprinkle of the Thing That We Can't Quite Put Our FIngers On™ as well. Of course)
(with a healthy sprinkle of the Thing That We Can't Quite Put Our FIngers On™ as well. Of course)
Oh yes there is that!
there is that.
God, I'd hate that. The day that society looks at me walking down a street and sighs a colelctive "meh" is the day I give this whole crossdressing malarky up.
That reminds me of the time my band Six Inch Killaz played in Swindon and were met by a wall of collective indifference.
We were staggered and hugely disappointed. Horror, fear and adulation we'd had before but never indifference. We were scratching our heads for days after that.
Later we put it down to the fact that it was Swindon.
You can read more about that night and the band in This interview
I'm not reading all that!
Executive summary please! ![]()
(I'll read it later, promise) ![]()
*pfft*
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Summary for Ms Enverite:
ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL
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Can I have a PHP-Piglet as a pet?
Sorry. I totally hijacked this thread. I lost control of my rock and roll. Again.
I now return you to your normal programming
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CodeJokes™: They're just so funny ![]()
"Rachel, am I imagining all this then? I'll admit it's entirely possible that this whole notion of the Ideal Trannie™ might just be a complete fabrication of my head. I dunno though — all the times I'm out, I see other trannies going through the motions — as described by Jo. And I see frustrated email after frustrated email wishing for that Ideal Trannie lifestyle."
I definitely don't have the answer, but I do think we get encouragement, may be even courage from the experiences of other Trannies. For example, although having been out to many TG venues I'd always thought I'd never go shopping in broad daylight in Rachel mode. But reading about Della Delight's excursions made me feel it wasn't an impossibility. So I see that type of "encouragement" in a very positive light. As it happens, I did go out in daylight a while back and have enjoyed doing so a few times since. But I can honestly say that I felt no pressure to do so.
If I've missed the point of what you're saying Siobhan, apologies for being thick, hon!
"It just strikes me that the ideal in a lot of our heads is one that's based on seeing other 'girls' — rather than an exploration of what transvestism means to us as individuals."
But is it? Have to admit I read yahoo Group postings less and less these days, on account of the same subjects coming round again and again, and to be honest it's a case of having a low boredom threshold. What I will say, though, is that these groups serve a purpose Just because many of us have moved on there are still plenty of T-Girls that need to ask all those questions I've seen many times over — but am I right in suggesting others find these questions/discussions a little bit too familiar, as well?
And going right back to the beginning of your entry, Siobhan, I think the two most important items on Jo's "Tranny Checklist" (OK, we'll discuss IPR another day) are nos 38 and 39 — "Dress and not feel guilty" and "Have fun". Bugger the rest.
Lots of other good stuff today, but thinking about it all will, I know, hurt my brain too much.
May be a comment though about what Jane said about RGs wearing trousers — quite frankly when I see a Trannie bring up this chestnut about women wearing trousers I feel they miss the whole point — women don't wear trousers to pass or feel as though they are men — so please can we put that one to bed? Pretty please!
Finally, no really, I think we all need to get out more! And don't forget, if you're reading this and you haven't been out before as your femme self — well, you can tick another one off the list... ![]()
The notion that being Trans* = feminine makes me puke. And to see the term bandied around by muppets around the web, along with how dressing in heels and stockings makes them feel 'girlie' or whatever other simpering fucking term they dream up, is an insult to women and womankind. In my humble opinion. YMMV — your mileage may vary.
Ask a woman what feminine means. Then compare to the laughable use of the term by some Trans folk out there. Not even in the same library, let alone on the same page. Feminine isn't about dressing like the cover star of Vogue or Tranny Housewives Weekly. To be frank, (cue gags), how we as males-at-birth can even purport to know how women feel about themselves or their gender is daft. Talk to a feminist and smell the coffee.
As for the evolution of a Trans* without social pressure, with input from their partner, or if they're single and commitment free. There is always social pressure which will impact upon the behaviour and development. Whereas the partner may be 100% into the whole shemozzle (yes, we worked hard and long at it, and it's worth it) society rears its ugly head in areas like work, sport, friends and neighbours. Work particularly, I mean you have to earn the wedge to buy MAC. So you can't let the whole thing run free and find its equilibrium 'naturally'.
But with input and honesty from a partner and friends, you can find a place where it doesn't become the all consuming thing. AND when that happens, the "why" certainly recedes and the "what we do" grows in relevance.
Utter nonsense I imagine to the reader. Apologies.
For me being a trannie is about being feminine and looking as good in that role as I can. However I still like to slop about in jeans and shirts albeit female ones. I guess Im lucky (maybe) in that Im a very femininelooking male anyway. I dont know why I have the need to do what I do or why it makes me feel good. I just carry on doing it and not really analysing it. I ride a Harley which makes my masculine side feel good. This isnt probably making sense but thats where my heads at a lot of the time anyway, I dont make sense to 'me' a lot of the time.
I dont think theres any real answers or strict guidelines and I agree every trannie's different, that's what makes us such a diverse and interesting group, and I believe we should all do what we feel we need to, to survive as best we can.
"the ideal in a lot of our heads is one that's based on seeing other 'girls' — rather than an exploration of what transvestism means to us as individuals."
Hmmmmm. Now, call me old fashioned, but this is qua-girl behaviour, you know. There's a whole set of cultural theory in art / cinema studies to do with the differences between looking and being-looked-at. Men, of course, do the looking, and women the being-looked-at. Women, of course, also look at other women, but in a way that is about appraisal and competition, not about ownership or consumption. So, perhaps that 'seeing other girls' is indeed some kind of archetypical 'feminine' behaviour — the sizing up, learning and copying thing. I think the original stuff is in Laura Mulvey's stuff, or Lynda Nead's 'The female Nude'.
But, you see, us queers just problematise the whole neat theory. What does it mean when a boy-dressed-as-girl looks at a woman? Or a man? Or another boy-dressed-as-girl? Is half of h(er)im adopting the male gaze, and does the pleasure come from the conflict as the gaze switches to the more 'passive' or critical female gaze? Is it about being able to switch fluidly between these posiions?
And what happens when I — a dyke — look at another woman? Is the same dynamic in play? Am I simultaneously competing, posessing and wanting-to-be her? Or what about those moments when the tranny boy I'm seeing...
You can't help but wonder if the constant driver is indeed to break away the individuals feelings from the socially accepted tropes which one uses as short hand to explain them. Just as there is a socially acceptable hetero-normative position, perhaps there is also a tranny-normative position; the uber-tranniness that one adopts as one gets used to one's dressed persona? Certainly, it's common among gay women, who just always go through that dykier-than-thou stage until they settle down a bit and get used to the idea, and realise that the queerness is not the most interesting thing about them...
Or something.
Crikey. I must admit, I still haven't read all that.
Been kinda busy with my own little coding adventure.
I've read all of your original material and most of the comments, though. ![]()
An excellent post, Siobhan. As usual, you've put into words what I've thought for a while. So much so that it's almost a surprise that I hadn't put it down into words!
That's not me saying "I thought of this first!", it's me saying "dammit I wish I'd written that!" ![]()
One salient point for me...
"I don't think there should be a definition of the expression of transvestism. I think everyone should work out what it means for them and the people around them — and I think if we all did that, we'd see some rather interesting divergences taking place."
Agree 100%. I think that "tranny blogging" is one way of achieving a more diverse and inclusive tranny community.
Trannies traditionally flocked to online forums, with their "one-size-fits-all" philsophies of what a tranny should be. While these communities are valued and needed, they shouldn't be seen as a be-all-and-end-all.
With blogs you have individuals doing what they want to do. Communities form around groups of semi-likeminded individuals, who may not even be trannies. (Some of them might even appreciate your coding jokes!) ![]()
Some of them might even appreciate your coding jokes!
Steady on! Let's not go too far.... ![]()
"at the very moment we begin to step out of the closet in an effort to embrace and explore that which makes us different, we immediately start trying to conform to this prescribed image of the “Ideal Trannie!” "
Actually, I have seen this some place else. Some places even. When I was younger, hanging around skateboarders. And goths. And punks. And every other counter-culture group that hated to be a conformist, and yet, they all conformed to what everybody else in the group thought they should do. Nothing more funny than seeing a non-conformist going to the local shopping mall to pay WAY more than they should for a shirt from the trendiest non-conforming vendor.
This can be okay though, if we don't let what "everybody else thinks a tranny should do" control who we are entirely, but instead, merely influence us.
All groups do this.
I also remember being a computer geek at school, and the other geeks did allow each other to influence them to a point, but they also had their identity wars, with arguments over which programming language was best, which computer system was best (Anybody remember the AtariST v. Amiga war?)
As to WHY I do the things I do... I think that I can pretrend that I know exactly why I do, but the truth is that I don't know exactly why I do. I also don't know exactly why my car is able to do everything it does. And truthfully, I don't really care. It's where I GO with it that matters to me.
I also don't know exactly why my car is able to do everything it does. And truthfully, I don't really care. It's where I GO with it that matters to me.
I wish I'd thought of that
That's the best metaphor I've heard in ages.
...you can't blame genetics...
I think the interesting word here is blame. If we seek to blame someone/thing else, aren't we really saying, "Poor me. It's not my fault"? I was interested in the 'why' because it's a puzzle, not to ascribe blame and especially not to give me an excuse. To hell with apologising, excuses and blame. Maybe it's time we all stood up and cried, "I am what I am, so either learn to live with it or f**k off and waste somebody els's time!" Perhaps we should man tran' the barricades and burn wear our bra's!
Alli' Cat'
Anybody remember the AtariST v. Amiga war?
Heh... I had an Atari ST... And before that it was Spectrum vs C64....
See I am reading all this.. I just can't construct any witty arguments... ![]()
"It just struck me as odd that I couldn't remember any secific trannie things from the age of 6 to 13. That's all."
It makes sense if it's a sexual thing. 13 is when you start to go all weird in the underbelly.
As about "starting at 6", I think all boys dress up and think about being girls at some point around that age. Some get a bit more excited about it than others and maybe when they (we) grow up they retroactively apply it as an explanation to a world of confusion, which is to be trans.
Great posts guys. Sorry I got here so late as there are at least a dozen things I've wanted to say as I've been reading through.
I think the conforming to the group that Emily describes can be helpful when you first discover the trannie world. It can be scary and by following in the steps of Jo's checklist, you get that sense of belonging, of knowing what’s ahead of you.
One thing that’s just struck me is that it was only when I joined the Angels and devoured every msg that flooded my inbox that I actually wondered why I was a trannie. Previously I'd just accepted it and got on with my life, but in reading my peers worries I felt that I should buy into them too.
And I’m really glad Katya addressed the femininity issue. Sometimes that bullshit really makes me cringe. My other pet hate is when I hear trannies describe themselves as lesbians. I mean For F**ks Sake! If I have feminine qualities, then they are there whatever I’m wearing. Dressing doesn’t make me feel feminine, it makes me feel attractive, and desirable, and lots of other things but feminine isn’t one of them.
Finally, I was fascinated by Kim’s comments. For a while now I've been aware that when I look at an attractive woman, the pure lust I'd have felt at one time has changed to a mixture of feelings. I've been trying to get a handle on that and I think Kims description of "simultaneously competing, possessing and wanting-to-be her" is incredibly accurate.
"Why do we do it?"
Please miss, I know I know. This is actually a pet interest of mine, I want to know WHY!! so I asked Russel Reid at his talk at sparkle. He said it's both nature and nurture, nature provides a template that the correct nurture will make into a tranny. So Siobhan you were born a potential tranny and your bro was not, then some trigger — perhaps the dressing up box — turned you into a tranny. Well so the theory goes and it's a theory I like cos I like being able to say 'I was born this way'




Makes perfect sense to me and I can relate to a lot of what youve said, probably around 8 I started trying on my mothers clothes, I know she used to wonder why her lipsticks were all worn down wrongly or broken. I had no idea of course. I have a lot of blank spaces as well but cant talk to my family about it being as theyve exiled me, might be just as well Ive forgotten some things anyway. And I have my own fair share of hangovers thanks