Hello 
I'm Siobhan Curran/Kisa Naumova, and this is my weblog. I tend to write about stuff like crossdressing, Macs, code, cats, wine and Second Life, but in general it's just an ongoing conversation about all sorts of stuff. If you'd like to know a little bit more about what this all is, I recommend starting on this page which has a little bit of info on who I am, and what I'm trying to do — or you could dive into my five years worth of archives if you like.
Otherwise, feel free to close this box and explore...
This May Be A Complete Disaster Of A Post
Because it's unplanned, encompases a lot of things that I'm interested in, contains Second Life references, techie stuff, and only mentions crossdressing briefy — if at all. And I'm tired, my typing is at its worst, but hell, at least I'm sober.
('tis true. I've got a mug of Horlicks instead of a bottle of wine)
Really, this is just a general wander through my thought process — of how one thing leads to another, winding up in a "Can't we all just get along?" ending.
So, I'm checking my RSS feeds just before I go to bed, and I notice a thing on Wired about Robert Scoble getting booted off Second Life in the middle of a presentation about it.
I'll come back to that in a second, but my first thought was "Cool. Scoble has had a Second Life account".
Sometimes, I feel, it's all too easy to feel lost and isolated up here in the North West of England. I mean, Lancaster's not exactly the hub of New And Exciting Internet Things™ is it? And the chances of me ever coming into contact with people who swan their way through the (urgh) blogosphere — people I'd really like to sit down and have a chat with about a few things — are pretty slim.
But when I hear people have a Second Life account, suddenly they seem a little closer. Suddenly I don't feel like I have to jump on a plane for some conference or another, just to say hi and chat for a bit.
And I think that's great ![]()
But, going back to the banning ... Personally, I feel if you're going to break the rules, then you kinda have to take what happens in response. And from what he wrote, that seems to be exactly what he did.
I really like how he phrases it:
Anyway, it’s a good lesson for Patrick to learn. There are consequences for breaking the rules. “It’s your fault,” Patrick just said, in defense. I did tell him to do it on stage. But, even that’s a good lesson for him to learn. If his friends tell him to break a real law, that won’t be an excuse in front of the judge.
Seems like a fair and reasoned reaction to me.
But, read through the comments that have been left. They quickly polarise into a "Good Linden Lab" vs "Bad Linden Lab" slagging match.
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And that's what really interested me — how things get so polarised so very quickly. It seems to me that on each side of any debate — whether it's an SL thing, or a Mac vs PC thing, or an Ubuntu vs Mac thing, or a TV vs TS thing — there are people who have invested a lot of energy (and sometimes money) into their particular experiences.
Sometimes those people have had to put up with being the brunt of ridicule for a long time — sometimes those people feel hard done to. But invariably, each of those sides have got so much to lose if the other side "wins" — or at least that's how it seems to them.
I guess it's related to my little thing about being wrong that I wrote a while back. It's really hard, having spent time and energy trying to argue your case with someone, to turn around to them and see their point of view. It's even harder to admit that they had a point and that you were wrong.
And because of that, things tend to escallate into a heated frenzy of mudslinging, getting more and more ridiculous, more and more personal, until the original idea or debate is lost entirely and sides become entrenched.
Ack. Why can't we all just get along?
Rachel
No matter how small a group you find yourself in, it seems to be human nature to segregate ourselves even further. "I don't want to associate with you because you're not a geek. I don't want to associate with that geek because he's not a techno-geek. I don't want to associate with that techno-geek cuz he's not a mac using techno-geek. And on and on...
Not saying anything that people don't already know really I suppose...
I have no idea WHY we're like that. Do you suppose other animals do this, or just humans? I mean, is it biological, or social?
Emily Grae
On Cliques
On the way back from Leeds the other day, April and I were talking to each other about cliques. Cliques bother me — when I was young, I was permanently skirting around the edges of little cliquey groups at school, jostling from one to the other, but never really being accepted in any of them.
It occurs to me that there are several little cliques of trannie on the Internets — ranging from the huge (Roses) to the tiny (like the Sometimes... group on Flickr). Obviously, there are cliques everywhere — and the idea of little pockets of connected people was the thing that prompted me to map out the Tranniesphere©™ about this time last year.
But it bothers me — that after years of unacceptance, I would be participating in some kind of 'exclusionist' strategies, employing 'in-jokes' and favouritism to scare away new people and assert my own importance.
I like to think though, that all of the little 'groups' I belong to, are incredibly open cliques. True, there's in-jokes and private banter — and I guess it can be pretty intimidating sometimes to someone who's just stumbled into one of them to pluck up the courage to delurk and contribute. But I'm convinced that the people who make up these groups with me — people that in some cases I've only known for a very short space of time — welcome fresh input. They recognise creativity, and actively encourage it.
I don't think it's a 'trannie' thing — but I do think sometimes that people, like us, who know exactly what it's like to be on the 'outside', who know exactly what it's like to feel 'excluded' and who understand the intense isolation that comes about from not being 'normal', are more ready to take people as they find them.
However, I think it's a two-way thing. I've seen a few cases recently where someone has lost control of their pram and crashed into a group, resulting in toys being thrown all over the place. I think, perhaps, that there's an assumption sometimes that all trannie-groups are essentially the same — that you can career from one to another and find the same kind of thing going on within each, and that reputations and histories travel with you.
Gah, I'm not really sure what my point is here, other than that I really love the people I know. And even if this is some kind of "mutual appreciation society", it's one that will glady spread that mutual appreciation to anyone who wants to join in.
As long as they're not an asshole.
but I do think sometimes that people, like us
Now, here's a thought — what do you mean by "people, like us"? If (as I suspect) you mean "trannies", well, aren't you making an assumption that only trannies read / comment here? If you mean "geeks", "artistic types", "red wine drinkers", "smokers"... isn't there a similar assumption?
And does that assumption, itself, lead to the formation of cliques? I suspect that the readership of Tranniefesto is far more diverse than "just" trannies. You write about plenty of non-trannie topics — if there's an implicit assumption on your part that only trannies read here, and if it manifests itself in phrases like the one I highlight above, maybe that actually deters non-trannies from commenting — "if I comment, they'll think I'm a trannie", kind of thing?
I know that the majority of people who comment (or send email) in respect of my blog aren't trans — but I guess that would be the single adjective that people might use, if they tried to categorise that blog. I'm not interested in "just" covering trans topics, or "just" having trans readers — precisely because I don't want the echo chamber effect of interest groups.
Meh, I know what I was trying to say, but I don't think I've said it well...
OK, re-reading the paragraph, you're clear what you meant, i.e.
who know exactly what it's like to be on the 'outside', who know exactly what it's like to feel 'excluded' and who understand the intense isolation that comes about from not being 'normal'
but my point remains — if someone "doesn't" feel that that describes them, might that comment not deter them from contributing, and thus result in the active Tranniefesto readership becoming what you describe, when it needn't otherwise be so?
Meh, I know what I was trying to say, but I don't think I've said it well..
No, I think I get you — that's a very valid point and probably one of the reason why I should plan what I write a lot more than what I do ![]()
I guess, in my head, I was referring in particular to trannyflickr. I'm not sure entirely why I had that particular group in my head when I was writing (and I probably should have alluded to it more specifically) — so the "us" wasn't directed here, it was pointing there.
(Is there a specific grammatical phrase to refer to when "us" means "you and me" as opposed to "us" meaning "me and some other people"?)
if there's an implicit assumption on your part that only trannies read here
Oh, not at all.
if someone "doesn't" feel that that describes them, might that comment not deter them from contributing, and thus result in the active Tranniefesto readership becoming what you describe, when it needn't otherwise be so?
Possibly, although I'm inclined to think not. I don't see this weblog as a trannie-clique. If anything, it's a clique of friends. I think I'm relying too much on the second paragraph up above to get across the idea that I'm specifically talking about my involvement in trannie-cliques, and maybe I should have reinforced that elsewhere in my post.
Hmmm — I just re-read that paragraph and you could read it that way Koan, (i.e. as addressing the readers as 'people like us') but you could also read it as referring back to the first part of the paragraph ('I don't think it's a tranny thing') in which case the 'people like us' is referring to trannys and not to the readers and she could just as easily have said 'people like me'. Only Siobhan knows what she meant, but it does illustrate how easy it is to read different things into a simple paragraph and how easily something can be interpretted as exclusive even if that was not the intent.
Oops looks like Siobhan posted while I was typing.
Only Siobhan knows what she meant
Unfortunately, that is all too frequently the case ![]()
Only Siobhan knows what she meant
Unfortunately, that is all too frequently the case
Well, sometimes I find that I don't know what I mean, so it could be worse! ![]()
Anyway, thanks for clarifying that. I might have been projecting a little, I guess — the issue of whether people refrain from participating (by commenting, linking, blogrolling, whatever) with something that has a specific "angle", whether or not that is its only angle, is something that interests me a lot — self-exclusion because of the fear of guilt-by-association, if you like.
Is there a specific grammatical phrase to refer to when "us" means "you and me" as opposed to "us" meaning "me and some other people"?
Not that springs to mind — I know I tend to be wary of using collective nouns or concepts when they're open to misinterpretation. But then, I'm pedantic! ![]()
The funny thing is, whenever I read your stuff, the term 'Tranny' is the furthest thing in my mostly empty head. I also notice that you don't normally write about 'Trannying' matters unless its something you feel strongly about. Apart from the title, this seems to be more like a diary than anything else which just so happens to be listed in loads of links to the Trannydom and as for this site being read by 'Trannies', thats probably why.
I do know what you're on about when you talk of cliques. I unashamedly admit I do use a distinction between 'us' and 'them'. I have joined several groups in the Trannisphere and then some UnTranny ones. And I do indeed find it so difficult to fit in anywhere in the Tranny ones. Its perhaps each of us is unique and we try and blend in the one which closely resembles our own make-up. And we then find ourselves disappointed when we find out that we are pigeon-holed.
This has probably led me to distance myself from everyone else and adopt the term 'me' and 'them' instead. Then again its probably because I had felt alone in this from the begining and I still do.
Anyways perhaps you should change the title of this blog to something UnTrannie related ....
ps: Just had 2 cases of Nino Negri — you gotta taste it....
I’ve never really viewed this as a clique. I’ve never written anything before because I like to lurk first, just to get a feel of things and I’ve never really had much to add before.
I feel that there is a difference between the playground cliques (by which I mean both the childhood ones and the adult ones) and the dynamics of a group of friends – the difference is to my mind one of intent. The former exclusion is deliberate and as far as I can see due to high but unstable self esteem and the need to maintain self esteem though dubious, unpleasant means. The latter, if exclusion has occurred or is perceived to have occurred is unintentional.
I’ve not felt excluded here, I’ve just never written anything before.
Ciara
Thanks Ciara
Lost And Found
Amazing isn't it, what you find when you're going through your archives.
Lancaster, 28th May, 1999. I'm a little embarassed by the music (for cheeseyness and copyright-breakage in equal measures), but it's what I was into at the time.
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Sorry — just to go back to cliques for a moment. I'm wondering if one blog in itself could actually be a clique. I think, potentially, it could — but it would have to have a seriously strong personality writing it (which I'm obviously not). I was thinking more about a network of blogs — and of comments. How they all interact and construct something with quite a thick shell, that's potentially hard to crack sometimes.
Stupid question probably, but in that last bit of the film, are you filming you own film playing or is that what inspired you? ![]()
I think that's what I mean...
It was good to watch, reminds me of when I used to actually enjoy going clubbing! ![]()
Beki
Ah, yes, sorry — I should explain maybe ![]()
It was my final submission for my degree. I'd set up several video players, TVs, and a video mixer in a local club, and projected the result of 48-days' rendering. I had a video camera filming it all (and a friend taking photos, which are on a CD somewhere in my loft), but there was something wrong with it, and that little segment at the end is all I actually managed to record.
The stuff before it then, is a feed taken from what I was mixing.
Pray I never post my final drgree film...
degree
Must learn to type correctly when my brain is too hot
Pray I never post my final degree film...
Is it all moody and subtitled?
I cannot belieive that track is like 7 years old, Cheesy now, but back then probably ground breaking...George would be proud!
Is it all moody and subtitled?
Nah. Just crap ![]()
I think it is entirely possible to be in a network of blogs that could seem clique-y.
Some of the non tranny blogs I read and comment on are in loose blog networks that could seem clique-y they all read each other's blogs and comment on them I seem the same names time and time again. I've tried reading some of the other blogs within that group but I've not clicked with the majority of those blogs so I suppose I'm not in their group.
I think with blogs to be in any circle there does have to be an element of mutual admiration (in the sense that we respect/enjoy/find interesting not "oooh you are wonderful you are" "no get you you are more wonderful" sense) or else why would we read each others blogs.
I also don't think any blogger seeks to be exclusive because afterall don't we all seek readers.
And finally I think it was a perfectly legitimate of you to make the assumption that the majority of your readers are TG because so far today the only non trans person to comment on this blog as far as I can tell is me. ![]()
And as a non tranny I have never felt unwelcome or discriminated against or that my opinion wasn't welcome when commenting on this blog.
ok and neil who just got in there before I posted damn him!
Wait! You and Neil aren't trannies?! BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN
OMG This is a Tranny Blog????????
I don;t like the word "clique". I prefer "gang"...
I am? Im not!? Ohhh Dang! Now even im confused!
For some reason, that bit with the hand reminded my of The Tomorrow People, though I think that the hand there was couting from 1 to 5.
Susan Callan
Oh woe is i.
I'm on linux and firefox can't install a plugin for quicktime, anybody knows where could i get a quicktime plugin for firefox/linux ubuntu?
I have a problem in that I'm in too many cliques. Sometimes good, sometimes not.
Let's bring the count to three...me, Neil, and Jane.
We shall have a party. Or something.
I was about to say something about her.....
Re cliques...
I remember when I first stumbled across the UK Angels site and thought 'Wow, at last — a site for people like me'. I guess it was in its infancy at the time because, within what seemed days of me finding it, it all changed. I got the feeling it now had 'rules', number one of which was: "Though shalt post dressed photographs of yourself to prove you're 'one of the gang'". I haven't been back since. Time passes, I find "Tranniefesto" (actually, Siobhans' Diary, but let's not split hairs). Cool — someone like me (ok, a lot bolder) and no 'rules'. I've been coming back, almost daily, ever since. Recently, the 'Sometimes...' group appeared on flickr. This inspired me. I had it all planned out and was about to get my camera out; sally forth, show solidarity and poke my head above the parapet a bit; but decided to read the discussion threads first. It seems this 'club' also has 'rules' — ah well, never mind, maybe next time. So, is "Tranniefesto" cliquey? I don't think so. Everyone here seems to accept people at face value and whatever flavour of humanity they profess to be (until such time as they prove themselves to be an arse)! That's why I keep coming back.
Four!




"Ack. Why can't we all just get along?" — for all the reasons you've just mentioned, and probably a few more.