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Wrong On So Many Levels
(I wrote this about a month ago. It was supposed to be the first of a three-part discussion on some of the problems I have with transvestism, the issues I think it generates, and the effects it has on other people. I was going to wait until I'd written all three parts before I posted it, but I think if I stuck to that strategy, it'll never see the light of day.)
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It would be ridiculous, I feel, for me to even hint at the notion that I think transvestism is A Bad Thing™. Not just ridiculous, ludicrous in fact. I mean, if I thought for one second that what I did day-in, day-out was in someway inherently wrong, well, I'd be a hippocrite of the highest order.
Perhaps.
But that doesn't stop me wondering about it, you know, in a "What if?" kinda way.
1. Religion
I find it comes as a bit of a shock to a lot of people if I mention that fact that I'm quite religious. I mean, here's me flinging myself onto every vice in my vicinity, and defiantly rejecting the piety of my parents at every given opportunity — but, I can't help (call it 'ingrained doctrination' if you like) but share some of their beliefs.
Obviously, I think that half of America is completely bonkers — that goes without saying — and the too-smiley happy-clappy limp-armed weirdoes that prance around spreading "the gospel" make me want to cringe most of the time.
But, in my own little world, and in my own little way, I find — perhaps laughibly — there's a certain comfort in thinking that there's Someone lurking in the shadows looking out for me.
But hey, this isn't about my ongoing inner turmoil about the conflicts of my experiences and reason vs two decades of Irish Protestant "fire and brimstone" warnings, this is about transvestism.
And if there's one piece of text that makes any Christian transvestite quake in her heels, it's that humdinger from Deuteronomy 22...
A woman must not wear the clothing of a man, nor a man the clothing of a woman. For that is an abomination.
You know, despite the voices of esteemed friends of mine, I struggle with this one. Not in a literal way ... let me explain.
See, if you want to disect that particular piece of 'commandment', it's pretty easy. You just take the southern hick that screamed it at you to one side, and you question their definition of what men and women's clothing is.
Clothing is a human construct — I mean, if you want to go all Biblical, then all clothing is evil. Surely? The minute those two happy-apple-crunchers grabbed the nearest fig leaves, we were all on our way to Hell.
But what defines which pieces of cloth belong to which genders? I mean, over the years things have changed dramatically. I seem to recall that I was christened in a dress, for example — at the ages of something-months, my devoutly religious mother put me in a frock and paraded me in front of the entire village.
And if you go back a hundred years or so, the norm was for boys to be dressed in pink.
And if you go back further, then you find examples of fashions — say, Elizabethan ones — where prancing around in ridiculous dresses was the norm for men.
That Elizabethan one is interesting for me, because it's more to do with social boundaries than it is to do with gender ones. If my memory serves me well (which it often doesn't) there were a series of laws passed in Elizabethan times — the Sumptuary Laws — forbidding men to wear dresses. I'm recounting this off the top of my head (because I read it in a book a long time ago), but the general thread seems to be that a group of men from what we'd call today "the Aspiring Middle Classes" were parading around the country dressed up to the nines — emulating the ruling classes. Trangressing their social boundaries.
And the laws that were introduced — based, in no small part on That Verse™ from Deuteronomy — were designed to keep people in their place.
But I digress. The very easy way to defeat some blinkered dullard who bleats that verse out at us, as trannies, is to quite simply ask them to define what they mean by men and women's clothing, considering that there's a constant flux — a constant fluidity — of what those terms mean.
(And, perhaps, scream words like "KILT!" and "JEANS"! in their ear. Repeatedly)
I happen to believe that there's a perfectly sound and logical come-back to that sort of tactic, but what generally happens is that whoever's quoting the Bible, then takes it upon themselves to pluck an arbitrary line out of thin air, and define fashion based solely on that.
Which is an argumentative tactic I despise. It leads nowhere — it's a dead-end line of reason. They tend to scream "Well I think this", and from that point on there's no arguing with them. Or, heaven forbid, they take the ideas that were passed down to them from their peers as being 'The Word of God', and you're pretty much stuck.
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An aside: Don't you just hate when people argue like that? You reach a sticking-point with them. In this example, it's where they decree that everything is 'The Will of God', and you just know that whatever you say to them is going to fall on closed ears.
For a perfect example, I refer you to that Louis Theroux thing the other day on "The Most Hated Family In America" — you realise that there's a point that you can reach, but after that whatever you say is easily dismissed by their cretinous logic.
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But yeah, sorry. Like I said, I think there's a pretty easy line of attack to the "well how do you define men and women's clothing?" question.
(Usual caveats apply — I'm speaking from a very personal viewpoint of what transvestism is for me. M'kay?)
I wear women's clothing all the time. A lot of the time — usually at work and stuff — I wear it because it fits me. Being the skinny bitch that I am, I often find that men's clothing hangs off me like a tent. So I often wear women's shirts, or women's t-shirts, because I look good in them.
I mean, I find that one weird enough in itself, having always believed that shirts are male items of clothing. There's a sort of oxymoron in my head when it comes to women's shirts — that such a thing doesn't really exist.
But I don't usually refer to that as me being a trannie. I mean, yeah, I sometimes wonder if people notice that it goes on the wrong way round for a guy, but in general, it's just me trying to look good, rather than flinging back the frontiers of gender-based clothing decisions.
The other time I wear women's clothing though, that's a lot different. Whether it's because of my little sexual kicks, or my general "I Am A Princess™" moments, the vast majority of the time that I wear women's clothing, it's because it's women's clothing.
And that's where you can non-arbitrarily draw the line.
You can't just say to me "skirts are for girls and trousers are for guys, and wearing anything else is wrong", but you can say to me "whatever you define in your head as women's clothing, and if you wear it BECAUSE you define it as women's clothing, then that's wrong" ... and I don't really have an answer for that.
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Except, well, of course I have an answer for that.
The whole "guys wearing women's clothing is wrong" argument depends entirely on the interpretation of one verse in the Bible.
ONE VERSE
And, if I can refer to Selina
, that verse is open to way more interpretations than just some dictatorial, dogmatic question about abstract folds and cuts of cloth.
If I'm right (and I stand to be corrected), the original Hebrew can be read not just as "clothing", but as "armour" — hinting that perhaps the intent behind the words was more to do with socially proscribed roles than it has to do with hemlines.
Context — as I often bleat — is everything. And if you read those words within the context of a pre-feminist-emancipated group of people rambling around a desert, constantly under attack from the outside, in which the social order had to be preserved, then it makes total sense.
There were jobs to do — men had to fight nasty people, women had to do all the other stuff. In an environment (unlike ours) where survival was the key, maintaing a very strict social order was an absolute.
So if women started fighting, or men started shirking their duties by pretending to be women, then everything would go tits-up.
And if you read it in that context, it's got fuck-all to do with me popping on a ballgown to waltz around my house, it's purely about retaining a status quo.
I mean, does it specifically say "Men shalt not flounce around their living rooms, for they will knock nick-naks and oraments off their mantlepieces"?
The Bible (as I learned last night, but have believed for a long time) has continuously been updated and interpreted and translated into language that's "getable" for its contemporary readers throughout history. And the fact that (again) only one verse deals with transvestism — and that that verse is open to hundreds of interpretations — says to me that any moral objections to me pulling on a petticoat based solely on it, is a pile of bollocks.
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"Ah, but", counters the voice in my head. "What if it isn't talking about clothing? What if it's more to do with an overall presentation of self? What if the 'abomination' the verse speaks about is less to do with fashion, but more to do with a denoucement of how you were made?"
Ah.
I'm not a transsexual — we all know that. If I was transsexual, I might veer off into a series of questions about how sex isn't just a case of "boy and girl" — how there are many, physical states between the two.
I might — for example — introduce Intersex People as something that directly challenges that simplistic, black-and-white approach that a lot of religious objectioners to anything outside their own immediate experience might, and point out to them that their narrow perceptions of the world are completely out of touch with what actually exists.
But.
I kinda fall flat at that one. The only thing I've really got to counteract it is that I was obviously made a transvestite, and for me to deny that would be more severe than me denying that I'm a guy.
But you could pick a million holes in that argument.
Fortunately, for me, the arguments never get to that stage — they always reach the impasse of "But the Bible says this", and I get to walk away with a self-satisfied feeling of non-dogmatic intelligence.
Rather than the crushing defeat if someone ever actually got so far.
Ah religion. The cause of more trouble and strife than just about anything else. I'm a born-again
atheist and tend to stay out of religious debate as, for some reason, it tends to upset people when I say things like, "So basically, you're arguing about who's got the biggest imaginary friend?" or, "The trouble with being an atheist is you'll never get to say 'I told you so'" (both stolen from Mark Steel). The underlying principles of all religions are pretty much identical: don't kill, don't steal, don't shit in the water supply, etc. All the other 'bells and whistles' are the constructs of people eager for power / control using the threat of a bogeyman. Not only that; but let's pretend I'm a devout, practicing, muslim; and come the 'last trump' it turns out the jews had it right, any deity who would condemn me, simply for 'backing the wrong horse', is only worthy of contempt.
But your question was, I think, is being a transvestite a 'sin'?
My answer: Any god who would condemn someone solely for being a transvestite, not only deserves to be shown your arse; but deserves to see that arse wearing 'inappropriate' panties!
I am soooo going to Hull ![]()
Gender and religion are reminiscent of oil and water: they really don't mix too well.
One thing to keep in mind: Fundamentalists don't argue religion. They argue politics. That's why it's difficult to make any headway with them. It's not even an "interpretation" of the Biblical stuff; Protestant Fundamentalists usually have little knowledge of the history of the Bible — a purely man-made construct — and as such are forced to resort to political, and emotional, arguments re the contents of their version of the Bible.
Personally, I love to argue about the "nature of God" with anyone. The pronouncements of many re the nature of their deity can always be shown to contradict some other aspect these people always claim. As I say, I love to 'debate' the nature of God: Fundamentalist Christians just happen to make juicy targets. ![]()
Carolyn Ann
Some other assorted laws that people need to follow according to Deuteronomy. I assume that anyone who damns transvestitism follows all.
13.6-9: 'If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly saying "Let us go and serve other gods", which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of other people that are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from one end end of the earth to the other, you shall not yeild to him or listen to him, nor shall your eyer pity him, nor shall you conceal him, but you shall kill him: your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.'
16.22: 'You shall not set up a pillar, which the Lord your God hates.'
20.19: 'When you besiege a city for a long time, making war against it in order to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by weilding an axe against them'
22.11: 'You shall not wear a mingled stuff, wool and linen together.'
23.1: 'He whose testicles are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall not enter the assembly of the Lord.'
25.4: 'You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads grain.'
25.13: 'You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weight.'
These are all out of context and open to many different interpretations. These are meant to be taken in the context of being meant for a small homeless group of Isrealites in a hostile environment thousands of years ago. The book just isn't relavent to us today. I have the up most respect for people who stick to their convictions and follow a religion, I think the bible is a wonderful book of moral guidelines, but it can not be taken literally anymore.
Just my (poor explained and probably way off) thoughts.
If we're going to quote the bible don't forget
"Thou shalt not fanny about on a yaught"
But if your going to define "womens clothes", anything you own is yours, so if your a woman they are all "womens clothes", no matter what the original designer indented.
This is of course moot if you go around stealing from Washing lines.....
Passing Maniac
Just a few points to add.
Clothing is a human construct — I mean, if you want to go all Biblical, then all clothing is evil. Surely? The minute those two happy-apple-crunchers grabbed the nearest fig leaves, we were all on our way to Hell.
In a sense that is true. Adam & Eve didn't wear anything in the Garden of Eden. They didn't even realise they were naked until they had eaten from the Tree of Knowledge. It was only after they had committed the original sin (and put us all on the road to hell) that they felt the need to clothe themselves.
But what defines which pieces of cloth belong to which genders?
In fact, there is no article of clothing which belongs only to one sex. Not if you consider the whole of history and the variety of cultures. But it's not what each sex wears that is important. It's that a difference is marked. So, it's not the content which is important, it's the structure.
Men have worn dresses, makeup, high heels, wigs and so on. But those dresses, makeup etc have never been exactly the same as those worn by the women in that particular culture at that specific time. Clothes make the difference but it doesn't matter what the clothes are.
It's wrong, therefore, to consider the men of the time of Charles II or Louis IV a bunch of screaming, cross-dressing queens (always excluding the special case of Monsieur and his circle) as many do. Their attire and manner looks transvestitic and gay to us. But it was perfectly masculine in context — and clearly differentiated from female dress and manners.
I mean, over the years things have changed dramatically. I seem to recall that I was christened in a dress, for example — at the ages of something-months, my devoutly religious mother put me in a frock and paraded me in front of the entire village.
It is a commonplace in many cultures for young boys to be dressed like girls. That is because, in a way, they are considered girls — or at least not-(yet)-men (sexually undifferentiated, perhaps). You only become a man by being initiated into manhood. In very many cultures you enter the society of men at a certain age and after certain education and experiences. Of course, that means the definition of manhood is not primarily biological. I don't think it ever has been. It's cultural.
As to why such a strong need is felt to make an absolute difference between what men and women wear is difficult to answer. Cultures seem to require these boundaries in order to function and in order to bind people together. On the other hand, what always happens is that transgressing those boundaries becomes not only dangerous but pleasurable and associated with death, the sacred, and the erotic.
I would say that the problem with the Christian argument — and those like them — is that it's contradictory. It predicates a Self that exists somehow before and outside Culture but then uses instances of Culture to both define and protect that pre-cultural Self. But there doesn''t seem to be a human nature which isn't already cultural — not unless you define humanity as something not-actually human (like an immortal spirit, say, but immortal spirits don't wear clothes, nor are they gendered, so why is it so important?)
Early Conditioning
All this week, quite understandably, my ever-so-excited brother has been emailing me photographs of my new nephew ![]()
He is, I have to say, enormously cute¹, and I wish I could share the photos with yous — but, you know, Family Privacy and all that.
There's one in particular that I'd love to post. It's of him asleep in the hospital cot, wrapped up in a blanket and with a little white hat on.
The reason I want to post it — aside from Teh Cuteness™ value of it — is that on the cot, just to the left of him, is a sticker with his name on it, and the words "I'm a boy".
God, they start drumming in these gender roles early these days, don't they?
¹ Takes after his Auntie Siobhan, I think you'll find. Except in the photos where he looks like an alien — of which there are lots.
Your opening statement under Religion was what provoked me to respond. I don't find it surprising that you have convictions, ethics, morality nor the ability to distinguish between the rights and needs of others and your own. I would ask are you using the term religion to substitute for "spirituality" or even "morality" Religion is a political construction. It makes use of propaganda, segregation, repression, positional hierarchy, regulations, and force, just like any other political structure. The philosophy underlying most "religions has no need of these things. Buddhism is not a religion. There is no "God". It is an ethical philosophy that centers on the self. This philosophy has been structured for political purposes in various cultures just as Judeo Christian religions have. Both can be distill down to the same single principle. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I find it difficult to understand using a source as reference for any side of an argument when that source reference is neither the original nor a pure document. The bible is part history, part legal code, part fairy tale, and only part philosphy. This is the same with the Buddhist canon. Nothing in Buhhdist sutras dates back earlier than 500 years AFTER Buhhas death. Still the last discourse attributed to him states quite clearly: ACCEPT NO teacher except YOURSELF, which to me, negates any need for religion as an external structure.
Like you, I was raised in a religious family, in my case Irish Catholic. But I also have a Native American component to my ethnicity. I chose in my teens to explore that component out of shear frustration with the hypocrisy within the Catholic worldview that I had been taught. Native Americans do not have religions. They have a cosmology which includes creation stories and they have an ethical philosopy for daily life within a close social unit. The term Wakan tanka, meaning literally "great mystery" (not great spirit) was created to attempt to understand the Christian "God" concept. The original term for the creator of the world is Tunkashila. It may mean both "grandfather" and "stone". The basis on the ground we stand on, and the source of our origin within our family.
I think it's good to question our actions. I do it to myself all the time. The only one I need to answer really is "Does this hurt anyone, including myself?" Embarrassing someone else by dressing as you choose is not hurting them, it's they, hurting themselves with their own intolerance or narrowness of vision. Religion as political structure hurts many, an ethical individual spirituality hurts no one.
I must just briefly say thank you for the comments on that. I think there was a little voice at the back of my head earlier saying "You're going to get some indepth comments there Siobhan", and it was right.
The general problem I have — in the context of a religious question — with what I do, is something that I really struggle with. I find that it's the out-and-out rejection of a very significant part of me in the first place — a "You Are Bad&trade" attitude to something that I find to be a very core nature of Self — that made me start to question the things that I'd been brought up to believe.
I realise that logically there's no conflict between the two, but it was a very dogmatic approach that started me questioning things. And once I'd started, I couldn't stop.
Just to tie today's two posts together, quite randomly ... when my mother called me a week ago, to tell me about my nephew, she had a disdainful tone in her voice when she told me his name is "Oscar"¹.
"Some literary connection, apparently", she said. And I could tell that there was a disapproving notion in her head that there might be something to do with Mr Wilde in there — disapproving because he was gay.
And I thought, "You know, if only you knew the stuff about me that I don't tell you".
It's things like that — the denial of things that exist — that started me questioning things. And, honestly, I don't like questioning things. Life would be so much easier if I could sit back in a happy haze of ignorance, plodding on with accepted 'truths' like I did as a teenager.
But my own Self got in the way of that, and I found myself to be a contradiction of everything I'd been told. Denying the way that I am is completely impossible for me — in fact, I think it would more wrong of me to do that than it would be to carry on being Me.
I can't deny that I get a lot of comfort out of the belief that there's a Someone beyond my normal perception. And I'm really hoping that that Someone is OK with me expressing myself in the way that They made me.
I guess that sometimes, I'm worried that the more 'unspeakable' parts of the things that I do might not be 'approved' — but I think that we all have that to some extent.
I dunno.
¹ Although, yous all know my real surname yeah? Go Google his name, and celebrate with me that my nephew is named after Junior Delgado. I am so calling him "Junior" from now on...
Part of the difficulty I experience when I question myself is acertaining first if I'm asking a clear single question, or multiple questions "disguised" as one. I agree with you, I don't "like" questioning and would rather that I didn't have to. But if I could accept the simple consensus answer, just as you feel I'd have to purge myself of what I believe is not only the greater part of me, but really the best part also.
I find it helpful to try to dientangle the various question, so I can at least face them one at a time. You mention you "found myself to be a contradiction of everything I'd been told. Denying the way that I am is completely impossible for me — in fact, I think it would more wrong of me to do that than it would be to carry on being Me."
Has everything you've been told ben based on actual personal experience/knowledge of the teller or is it adherence to some consensus accepted out of fear of confrontation. It was harder for my own parents generation to live outside the communal consenus than it was for me. It will be easier still for my son (hopefully).
I agree that it would be wrong not to follow what is really in my own heart/soul/self. I can never really do better than "fake" it if I try to. And that is perhaps more dishonest than keeping things private that might hurt others I care about, because I'm then dishonest to myself as well.
I don't believe there is such a thing as "unspeakable". I can speak about it with myself. And I have that right to privacy, especially if it hurts no one. Those parts of myself only need my own approval.
Regardless of the lable I "prefer" for my gender identity feelings, they are not, nor will be, generally understood until variation itself is accepted as normal as opposed to standardization.
I try not to deceive my self into thinking my own loneliness, or isolation, or my need to connect to others through love as being in any way met by the acceptance I might get from conforming to the norm. Acceptance of that kind means they might leave me alone because I no longer bother them, but I'm still alone. Only then I don't even have my self. Loneliness hurts, and I'd rather not hurt. Sometimes the only question seems to be which loneliness/isolation hurts more?
I've never been that interested in consulting Deut 22, although I'd seen it quoted quite often regarding transvestism. What I didn't know (and thank you for pointing it out, Siobhan) was that it said women shouldn't wear "mens" clothes. So I guess the bible was aiming these comments at TG folk in particular. Kind of a new slant for me.
And perhaps the bible was a little lax in defining ender clothing.
Sorry, if this has been raised, but only had time to skim the post and comments — gotta go out — bye.
Rachel
Sorry about the typo "So I guess the bible was aiming these comments at TG folk in particular." should have read... "So I guess the bible wasn't aiming these comments at TG folk in particular." Could be a case of TG paranoia again.
Rachel
Denying the way that I am...
Don't you dare start down that road; for that way lies misery and madness!
...might not be 'approved'...
Ah, good old fashioned guilt. The 'corner stone' of most, if not all religion!
Look: If nobody gets hurt (without prior consent, natch') and you don't startle the horses; then don't sweat it! This is not a rehearsal; this is it, your one and only shot at life. To waste it agonising, when you could be wringing every last drop from it seems like the biggest 'sin' of all. As my mum used to say, "You're a long time dead".
Junior Delgado
Well, well — you live and learn!
Oh I'm so with Alli Cat. But here, for reference purely, is what I live by, works for me:
"Bide the witches law ye must,
In perfect love, and perfect trust,
Eight words the witches' rede fulfil,
'An it harm none, do what ye will'.
Ever mind the rule of three,
What ye send forth, comes back to thee.
Follow this with Mind and Heart,
Merry Ye Meet, and Merry Ye Part."
So Mote It Be.
That just about covers the entire bases of my "faith". I don't like to call it a religion, cos no-one tells me what to do, just my conscience.
It's just an expanded version of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
You are you. You are wonderful. You are unique. You are special. You are Siobhan and you should damned well be proud of that!
Hear Hear!
Just try avoiding arguing with Christians that insist that the King James Bible was the version God wanted all along, that it is correct and the mistranslations between it and the earlier versions don't matter because God was guiding the translators hands...
The basic problem is that religion and (true) independence can't actually be reconciled. Religion (any religion) demands a temperance, an adherence to a proscribed set of values. Fundamentalist Christians are more likely to view Deut 22 as the be-all-and-end-all of the discussion than say, a more contemporary minded Evangelist. It's also affected by gender... Male Fundamentalists are renowned to be less tolerant of homosexuality and transgender (for wont of a better term) than their female counterparts. I, for one, have found this to be quite true. (I will admit that I've never seen a scientific survey done on this sort of thing; it's purely based on my personal experience).
Ignoring fundamentalist "theology", it can be reasonably concluded that religion, as a political construction, is quite adaptable. Quite evolutionary, in fact... (Sorry.) It's one reason why "nature of God" arguments/debates tend to devolve into dogma, and ultimately prove to be perfectly fruitless in their quest to explain "God" and 'his' intentions.
In my misguided (and very mistaken) membership of Tri-Ess (the American crossdresser's clique), one thing I that continuously struck me was the same number of members who couldn't reconcile being Christian and being a crossdresser. The striving to reconcile the two ultimately boiled down to "well, God loves everyone". Which, ultimately, is a cop-out of the first order.
I was intrigued by Emma's comments re loneliness; personally, I'd rather be the loneliest man [sic] around than contain my views and opinions so that they, and subsequently I, be acceptable to others. I also find no space for "heroes"; this doesn't preclude admiration, however. (That wasn't a dig at anyone!)
This is not to criticize Emma's point; I was struck by the relationship between Emma's point, and your point, Siobhan, re religion, and to a lesser extent, parents. (I deleted the rest of it as not quite pertinent one someone else's blog!)
Gotta dash: I'm missing the repeat of the Monaco F1 race. And with Britain's hopeful, Lewis Hamilton, in the running, well, how can I miss that?
Carolyn Ann
It's a comforting thought that there is someone out there who has an interest in our welfare — be they physical, spirtual or even virtual.
I have no issue with folk following whatever religion they want to live their life. What I do take exception to is when they seek to use that to oppress or judge another culture or way of life.
Religion and spirtuality apart, is it just that you want to be told "it's okay for you to be you"? You mentioned that your folks don't know everything that you do, so are you projecting that requirement on to another? Sorry if this is a bit armchair pop psychology...




Wow, that's deep. Why do you assume that because you believe in something you have to believe in the bible? I was initally raised Atheist/Agnostic. My Mother's Mother was Pagan, my Mother's father was Christian, my Mother was sent to boarding school and did bible studies, so she kinda believes in something, but nothing specific. My Dad believes in, as he puts it, worms and DNA. So I had no religious upbringing aside from lessons my Grandmother taught me, that I had no idea were religious :s I rebelled when I was 11 by becoming christian. I walked out of that church when they gave the "being gay is bad" sermon. And I started thinking about the stuff my grandmother taught me. Someone told me I was wiccan. I'm not, but it got me looking into paganism, and I know I'm pagan. I don't dance round naked on hilltops. I don't have some alt-name like Raven Silver Stardust Pixie, I don't really "practice" much at all, but I found something that described to others what I believed. That's the key, don't find a religion that you like, find YOUR religion, then find what it's called.
/me shuts up.