Hello 
I'm Siobhan Curran/Kisa Naumova, and this is my weblog. I tend to write about stuff like crossdressing, Macs, code, cats, wine and Second Life, but in general it's just an ongoing conversation about all sorts of stuff. If you'd like to know a little bit more about what this all is, I recommend starting on this page which has a little bit of info on who I am, and what I'm trying to do — or you could dive into my five years worth of archives if you like.
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A Blatantly Personal View About trannyflickr
The problems I have with the current situation in trannyflickr aren't limited to the notions of "shit in the pool" that I ranted about last week. It's not even, I have to say, a question of "quantity over quality" for me. I'm reading through the discussion that's going on at the moment, lamenting over the demands for a "dumping ground" or a place "to host our pictures", and even though there are — in amongst the bleatings — some wise and considered words, I haven't seen too much discussion about "intent".
I was going to write something like this the other night — after my 2000th picture post — but I was tired and geeked-out after all that coding...
I first started using Flickr in January 2005. I was dragged in by Mr Betteridge
(who I'd only just met, come to think of it), who proclaimed it to be a "really cool thing you should be a part of".
I didn't get it at first — "so I can upload pictures. How novel" — but I soon realised that Flickr was a lot more about just shoving JPEGs on an external server — it was about the networks and connections you made whilst doing it.
And not only that — there were Things™ that you could use in your blog. Stuff to make the whole process of 'life-logging' a lot more simpler.
This was A New Thing™ — not just an image-dump, but a space to explore, to socialise, to meet, to discuss, outside of the normal spaces that I continuosly found pictures of me inhabiting.
I engaged with the Flickr community quite tentatively at first. Initially I only shoved on the general 'life-dump' shots — the ephemera from my day to day life — in ways that got automaticaly squirted into my blog. Soon though, I was uploading some of my work, and (obviously) some of my girl-shots.
The thing that surprised me about the whole experience, was that I started to make contact with people I'd never normally associate myself with — photographers, artists, designers, general everyday people rather than the usual tranny crowd. Suddenly I was being made a contact by people I'd never expect to come anywhere near my work — and not one single one of them ever had a problem with who/what I am.
That's the main thing for me — that the responses I've had from people have never once been derogatory purely on the basis of me being a tranny. And that's the general vibe I get from Flickr — a relaxed environment, a progressive environment, where the quality of what you produce and upload is never taken in context of prejudices about what you might be.
And I like to think, that in the process of all of this, I put some photographs in front of people that they normally wouldn't see. And in doing so, I made them rethink a little about things they might not even have thought about before.
In a lot of ways, I have found that by enagaging with the Flickr community, I have somehow managed to achieve a sense of self-validation. I feel able to be proud about what I am, and I think I owe a lot of that to (a) me getting involved, and (b) the wonderful people I've met along the way.
And then, of course, I came into contact with Miss K
and Erica. I can't remember which happened first — did I read K's blog and find trannyflickr, or did I find trannyflickr then read K's blog because of it?
I don't suppose it really matters to be honest — what matters is that here, in a corner of the interweb, were other people who were having the same experiences as I was — other people who were doing things. Things Out. There.
Here was a collection of wonderful photographs that were raising the bar, pushing the fold about what is and isn't a "tranny photo". Waving things in other people's faces. Being A Bit Fucking Radical™ even.
And that, to me, is what's special about trannyflickr — it's a little beacon of progressiveness and sanity in amongst a sea of beige. I mean, of course not all tranny groups on Flickr are tedious, it's just that a lot of them have descended into old-skool (how ironic) forms of expression — walled gardens of backward thinking, AJAX-enabled forums of the past.
I look through a lot of them (apart from the member-only ones, which I resolutely refuse to join) and I hardly ever see any signs of engagement with the community at large. Not a jot of progressiveness. Not a sign that it ever occurred to any of their members to say "Hey, we could actually do something really good here".
A fair wee while ago, I asked a question in the discussions along the line of "So, why do we all post pictures?". I think I was quite relieved that the true intent behind my question was misread as "why do we post pictures of ourselves online?", me not being in a very self-defending state at the time.
But what I was really asking, was "Why do we put our pictures into the group pool? What do we get out of it? What does it do for our community?"
Because the last part of that question is the most important for me. I do — rightly or wrongly, and I hope 'rightly' — feel that I have, just a little bit mind, done stuff for our community by posting my photos onto Flickr. I do feel — like I said — that I've presented a different idea about what a "transvestite" or a "tranny" or a "crossdresser" is to a few people.
Not massives of people, just a few.
But it occurs to me that that prospect doesn't enter the minds of a lot of the posters to trannyflickr (or the other groups for that matter) — it's all about "me me me!". It's all about "take take take!".
It's all about getting views, and comments, and support, and kudos — rather than giving.
Sure, people give support to each other, but they don't give support to the community. In fact, I'd suggest that they 'desupport' the community by consistantly lowering the bar, and steering interesting new things back to a comfortably bland status quo.
The shift in focus on trannyflickr has been away from the challenging and the radical, towards a 'safety'. It's no longer about making a set of images that we can show the world and be proud of — it's about creating an inward-looking swapsie meet, where the target 'audience' is no longer "them outside", but "us in here".
People don't — as a rule — post photographs to show the world, they post photographs to show other trannies. And when the entire audience becomes the same people that are performing, there's absolutely no objective criticism, no forard movement. No point.
Some of the attitudes that I've seen expressed in the discussion about the current suspension have saddened me completely. The truly selfish nature of some people's intentions have really staggered me.
As I said to K the other night when we were out drinking, I want to care about that group again — the same way that I care about some of the others I'm a part of. I want trannyflickr to make its way into the column on the right — the "Groups we've noticed" column — because I think it belongs there.
We used to have a wonderful space we could have been proud of, but because some people have never bothered to really think about things, because some people have soiled it with their own selfish intentions, because some people can't see five metres in front of their blinkered presuppositions about what a "tranny site" should and could be, we've ended up with something that's a poor, desaturated shadow of it's former self — with a radiator in the background.
Trannyflickr is not a forum. It is not a dumping ground. It is not a support group.
It is a unique and powerful thing — or rather, it was, but it will be again.
I tend to be fairly inactive at these community/blog type things — to date I've posted 24 photos, and only added four times have I added a photo to a pool; I figure at the worst I'm only a small offender in your mind (if I've registered at all) next to many much larger ones. Those 24 represent the photos I'm most proud of (while I'm trying to expand into more general interesting photos I've not yet captured any more I'm proud of) either for being good or interesting.
Even before I finally signed up I noticed patterns emerging in the feeds; certain users dropping 3-4 photos into one group, then doing the same in every other group. I couldn't see their logic for doing so.
I do understand your frustration that once again you're seeing a new resource twisted into something resembling that which already exists and I do like the plans for trannyflickr (my new aspiration will be something I feel can fit in under the new plans laid out by Miss K) but I do worry a little that you're falling into the trap of getting annoyed because someone doesn't enjoy something in the same way you do. It's probably not the case, you just have specific plans for your little corner; the worry was larger before you fleshed out your rants in this post.
I have the feeling I'll probably never get it in the same way you got it. However I like to think I'll still take something good away from Flickr at some time and I suspect it'll come from somewhere built by people like you, Miss K, et al...¹ rather than someone dropping multiple near-identical photos into several pools every day; or even someone like me as things currently stand. ![]()
¹ I list Siobhan as it's her site and Miss K for running the discussion Flickr-side, the et al encapsulates too many others to realistically list without fear of leaving someone out.
but I do worry a little that you're falling into the trap of getting annoyed because someone doesn't enjoy something in the same way you do. It's probably not the case
No, that's a fair criticism, and one I worry about. Who am I to say how something should be used?
But then again, I guess in my defence, what I'm doing is pointing out the potential of something, that I feel a lot of people haven't quite noticed.
Perhaps
but I do worry a little that you're falling into the trap of getting annoyed because someone doesn't enjoy something in the same way you do.
But actually I think that is the whole problem. Most people seem to be going around thinking that there is this big trans-community out there and simply assuming that we're all the same. But we don't all enjoy things in the same way. There seems to be precious little thought given to actually creating communities.
Two things come to mind: never expect others to share your enthusiasm, or vision. And always consider that no one was ever made a fool for misjudging how poor the "collective" taste level can be. (That's a paraphrase of some other famous saying.)
Of course most of the pics were about "me"; that's why they're posted. So many need that affirmation — it can't come from inside them, or at least they don't seem to make the effort. Having the confidence to simply share, and not require accolades, is unusual. I've not met many in the transgender world who don't particularly care; so many do. (And yes, I know that's going to tick off a lot of folk.) They need the affirming words of others, they absolutely can't perceive of a reliable, secure and independent identity without those reassurances.
My other point: the founders of a social entity (a group or a company) rarely, if ever, realize their "vision" of it. The moment others get involved, the vision doesn't become shared: it simply changes. You might "speak" the same goals, but the details will always be different.
Every single group I've ever been a part of — from corporate departments, to emergency assistance teams, the vision of the founders was "diluted" as far as they were concerned, and adapted to the group as far as everyone else was concerned.
This doesn't mean that a group will morph into an unrecognizable mess; it just means that any vision has to be flexible enough to cope with the inevitable changes. No one has ever really predicted those changes, either: people are simply too unpredictable for that to be really possible.
What it means for trannyflickr, or any virtual group, is not that accommodation has to be all one way; the members of the group have to abide by the originating vision. In other words, the construction of the "charter" has to be agreed to by the members. And adhered to. It's easier when the members agree with the charter (a point that's not as obvious as it may initially seem); if they don't, well: they're perfectly at liberty to start their own group that adheres to their vision, whatever it may be. Co-operative editing is, I've found, a reasonable way of ensuring compliance with the collective goal.
Creating communities is no easier in the online world than it is in the real world. It just seems (it should be) easier. People, fortunately, are quite stubborn. They'll try and shape a community to their vision, or they'll try and undermine the original intent, in order to push their agenda. Or they'll leave the "important decisions" to those in charge. And so on. It's possible to create vibrant and exciting communities, but I'll wager that they won't, and can't, last forever. It just takes work, and a shared vision — and leaving the details for others to figure out.
Another couple of thoughts: What's the value of trannyflickr? What's the value to someone who can simply join, and post their photos when they need an ego boost? If the cost of joining the group is effort, then that cost had better be shared by all members: a single member getting away with shoddy pictures will provide an irrevocable license to others who make the effort because they have to, not because they want to. Effort needs to be rewarded, otherwise contributers will perceive their efforts as either "unworthy" somehow, or others' as simply arrogant and not able to understand what they did to create that picture. Either way, they're upset. The reward can be as simple as "Nice pic, why did you do X?", or as complex as a "best of" competition. One's called "respecting each other", the other is called (less than graciously, and somewhat derogatorily) a bribe; I prefer "reward and acknowledgment". Both work, as long as they're acknowledged honestly. An example: recognition in the form of respectful and considered questions and commentary elevates the ego. A prize is like getting "best employee of the month"; you don't get the prize without actually being the best employee that month.
And finally, sometimes we just have to say "well, that didn't work". Sometimes we just have to look at something, and no matter how much time, effort and dedication, nor how much of ourselves we've poured into a project, and say "Bummer; that got screwed up somehow. Time to cast that one off." I've done it; I'm sure you have to. You put so much of yourself into something you're sure it's going to be wonderful. And you finally look at it and say "That's crap!" If it's important enough, you restart. If it isn't: you abandon that effort, and think of something else. It's like fashion photography: take 400 pictures, and realize that not a single one works. Of course, with a group such as flickr groups, you actually have the benefit of being able to analyze what went wrong, and vow to not make the same mistakes again. Instead, promise yourself you'll make a whole new batch!
I'm not suggesting that you do this. It's just a thought or two I reckoned I'd pass on.
Carolyn Ann
I totally agree with you. Even groups where the idea is to do something different girls just post out without thinking.
I have just read this after trying to start a bit of a debate.
I think that maybe there is space for a members only group, a group to push forward the positive work.
Did I really introduce you to Flickr? Blimey!
you've got a lot to answer for betteridge...
When I turn inward to these community tools (my computer and this Internet) I sometimes react by reaching outward to the unknown (like now) but sometimes I go deeper into my own world. Communities in my area of interest are reliably rewarding, if not as surprising.
But yes, those two activities can lead to negative experiences, too.
Occasionally I might show up in a new SL sim, for example, and get grief from some stranger. And, as you've been articulating, even the comfort of a regular haunt can turn sour when people — some of them denying their own wanderlust — mistakenly develop the opinion that having successfully assembled itself, the community for some reason must now be directed toward one end or another.
Valeria Maltoni has a lot to say about the "conversation" of organizations. Reading some of her posts, I was struck by how much relevance they have for your "predicament" (so to speak, etc).
Carolyn Ann




I agree with you absolutely and I hope you'll excuse me if I repeat some of what you said by relaying some of my own experiences on flickr.
I joined a year ago and at first I just put up my Boudoir photos and posted them to the TG groups. Then I happened to spend a couple of evenings messing about with one of my pictures and a few filters and some grunge brushes. The results weren't very good but I put them up anyway. To my surprise they were noticed by a few people outside the tranny scene. The upshot of it all I was invited to join a group called Photoshop Kungfu where people have battles based around the manipulation of each other's pictures.
I was nervous at first — partly because there are some professional artists in the group and I know next to nothing, and partly because I would be revealing that I am transgendered to a large number of straight people. Well, so far as the latter is concerned there was nothing to worry about. I have been very active and visible since August — I've fought about 50 battles, I comment every day on several posts, I'm now an admin. I have had a couple of rows with people in that time but not once have I experienced any transphobia. Nor do the other members pussyfoot around me in some politically correct way — I've been made fun of in pictures just like others but not in any sense offensively. And I've had a lot of laughs, learned a bit about art and photoshopping, engaged with a very diverse set of people, and made several friends — one woman in particular.
The PSK group itself might bore the pants of everyone reading this. That's not the point. To me it's simply indicative of what is good about flickr and chimes in perfectly, I think, with what you've said above. Why more transvestites and transsexuals don't take advantage of flickr is quite beyond me. There is no need to huddle in secrecy.
Actually, I resigned from trannyflickr and all the other TG groups I was in 2 or 3 weeks ago because I was fed up with them. I've just read Miss K's post about the new trannyflickr — perhaps it's time to rejoin.